The Ending Of Time

Chapter 1 The Roots Of Psychological Conflict Chapter 2 Cleansing The Mind Of The Accumulation Of Time Chapter 3 Why Has Man Given Supreme Importance To Thought? Chapter 4 Breaking The Pattern Of Ego-Centred Activity Chapter 5 The Ground Of Being, And The Mind Of Man Chapter 6 Can Insight Bring About A Mutation Of The Brain Cells Chapter 7 Death Has Very Little Meaning Chapter 8 Can Insight Be Awakened In Another Chapter 9 Senility And The Brain Cells Chapter 10 Cosmic Order Chapter 11 The Ending Of 'Psychological' Knowledge Chapter 12 The Mind In The Universe Chapter 13 Can Personal Problems Be Solved, And Fragmentation End - Longer, Unedited Versions Chapter 1 Chapter 2 Chapter 3 Chapter 4 Chapter 5 Chapter 6 Chapter 7 Chapter 8 Chapter 9 Chapter 10 Chapter 11 Chapter 12 Chapter 13 THE ENDING OF TIME CHAPTER 1 1ST APRIL 1980 CONVERSATION WITH PROF. DAVID BOHM 'THE ROOTS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL CONFLICT' KRISHNAMURTI: How shall we start? I would like to ask if humanity has taken a wrong turn. DAVID BOHM: A wrong turn? Well it must have done so, a long time ago, I think. K: That is what I feel. A long time ago... It appears that way why? You see, as I look at it, mankind has always tried to become something. DB: Well possibly. I was struck by something I once read about man going wrong about five or six thousand years ago, when he began to be able to plunder and take slaves. After that, his main purpose of existence was just to exploit and plunder. K: Yes, but there is the sense of inward becoming. DB: Well, we should make it clear how this is connected. What kind of becoming was involved in doing that? Instead of being constructive, and discovering new techniques and tools and so on, man at a certain time found it easier to plunder his neighbours. Now what did they want to become? K: Conflict has been the root of all this. DB: What was the conflict? If we could put ourselves in the place of those people of long ago, how would you see that conflict? K: What is the root of conflict? Not only outwardly, but also this tremendous inward conflict of humanity? What is the root of it? DB: Well, it seems that it is contradictory desires. K: No. Is it that in all religions, you must become something? You must reach something? DB: Then what made people want to do that? Why weren't they satisfied to be whatever they were? You see, the religion would not have caught on unless people felt that there was some attraction in becoming something more. K: Isn't it an avoidance, not being able to face the fact, and therefore moving to something else - to more and more and more? DB: What would you say was the fact that people couldn't stay with? K: The Christians have said, Original Sin. DB: But the wrong turn happened long before that. K: Yes, long before that. Long before that, the Hindus had this idea of Karma. What is the origin of all this? DB: We have said that there was the fact that people couldn't stay with. Whatever it was, they wanted to imagine something better. K: Yes, something better. Becoming. DB: And you could say that they began to make things technologically better, then they extended this, and said, `I too must become better.' K: Yes, inwardly become better. DB: All of us together must become better. K: That's right. What is the root of all this? DB: Well, I should think it is natural in thought to project this goal of becoming better. That is, it is intrinsic in the structure of thought. K: Is it that the principle of becoming better outwardly has moved to becoming better inwardly? DB: If it is good to become better outwardly, then why shouldn't I become better inwardly? K: Is that the cause of the conflict? DB: That is getting towards it. It's coming nearer. K: Is it coming nearer? Is time the factor? Time - as `I need knowledge in order to do this or that'? The same principle applied inwardly? Is time the factor? D